Rnz: Afternoons With Jesse Mulligan

This week our podcast critic Tessa Guest and Jesse discuss Conspiracyland 2 and The Rabbit Hole. Conspiracyland 2 is where the BBC's Disinformation correspondent Marianna Spring investigates the rise in conspiracy movements. The Rabbit Hole is a podcast from the New York Times, presented by Kevin Roose, it's a series about how the internet is changing, and how it's changing us.